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Larry Sanger community-banned

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Larry Sanger, known to many as the co-founder of Wikipedia, was banned by the Wikipedia community following a lengthy discussion on June 22, under accusation of canvassing his 90,000 followers via X (formerly Twitter) to support his proposed WikiProject Intellectual Diversity (WPID).

Sanger has a long history of confrontation with Wikipedia. Over the last two years, he has been campaigning against Wikipedia's purported lack of a neutrality policy and against the Reliable sources noticeboard page that sometimes deprecates sources as being generally unreliable. His campaign took place on Fox News and other right-wing news sources, some of them deprecated.

Sanger was banned as the result of an WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents complaint, which was closed on 22 June. The closer offered this rationale:

There is clear consensus for a community ban of User:Larry Sanger. There is general agreement among participants that he has engaged in off-wiki canvassing and is not here to constructively build the encyclopedia. There is also a significant concern shared by many editors that his actions constitute calls for outing.

The only alternate sanctions that gathered significant support were a topic ban or partial block generally intended at forcing him to engage constructively with articles or avoid project space discussions. These alternate sanctions did not reach consensus.


— ScottishFinnishRadish, WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, Special:Diff/1360671935

The ban – itself not without contention over procedure, but reinstated by a second administrator after a 10-hour interval to allow the discussion clock to run out – follows years of Sanger's on-and-off involvement in the community, from the beginning of Wikipedia.
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Wikimania 2026 will be held in Paris from 21 to 25 July under the banner of Liberté, Équité, Fiabilité (Liberty, Equity, Reliability). In-person tickets have been sold out – with a very long waiting list – but everybody can register online for free virtual attendance at the registration site until 24 hours before the event. Videos will be streamed live on YouTube and Eventyay, with the latter offering a monitored chat for remote participation.

Some notable differences from previous Wikimanias include a serious emphasis on security and a fairly academic tone to the program. In-person attenders had to first request an invitation and then wait for up to two weeks to hear whether they passed a security check. The actual name and location of the venue has not been disclosed online except that it is in Northeast Paris near the number 7 metro line.

The program can be found here. Presenters are listed together on one page, but without the title of their presentations. You'll recognize several names from earlier Wikimanias or from reading Wikipedia, Diff, or The Signpost. Other presenters appear to have predominantly academic, tech, or perhaps government backgrounds. – S, H

Brief notes

  • Arbitration enforcement rules simplified: The procedures around Contentious topics were simplified by three motions:
    • The former "awareness" framework was simplified to the following rule: an administrator should warn an editor whose behavior is not egregiously disruptive if the administrator believes the editor does not understand what editing in a contentious topic means. Otherwise, the administrator should issue an appropriate restriction.
    • A complicated process called "renewal", which was literally never used, was repealed
    • Finally, admins are instructed that If an editor does not improve their behavior after a warning, administrators should normally impose editor restrictions rather than give additional warnings.
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  • New administrators: The Signpost welcomes the English Wikipedia's newest administrators, Chipmunkdavis and TechnoSquirrel69, selected in "old fashioned" requests for adminship with over 200 supporters and no opposition. The RfAs both concluded on 30 June. There are currently two ongoing requests for adminship, scheduled to close on 20 July 2026.
  • Articles for Improvement: This week's Article for Improvement is Chess, followed by Chicago Bulls (beginning 13 July). Please be bold in helping to improve these articles!
  • Next 25 kickoff: The meeting summary notes from the initial meeting of the Next 25 group held on 7 July, attended by some 50 Wikimedians, have been posted.
  • Wikimedia Café: This month's edition of the Café is to be held July 26 with two time slots for global convenience (time slot 1, time slot 2 – both one day later than usual to deconflict from Wikimania). The topic will be Wikimedia governance, not limited to the Movement Charter. Check the signup page for details.
  • NPOV: A proposed baseline NPOV standard has a planned discussion period on Meta-Wiki through 15 July.
  • Commons AI policy: An RfC concerning policy update for AI content is open on Commons.
  • New edition of free MediaWiki book: User:Yaron Koren has announced a new revision of his book Working with MediaWiki (ISBN 978-1540761149, also freely accessible online). Updates include a new chapter titled "AI and the future of wikis".
  • Proposed changes to the recognition and funding of Wikimedia affiliate organizations: The Wikimedia Foundation has published a proposal

    that would update movement affiliate recognition and establish new, connected criteria for eligibility to receive Community Fund grants. The proposal also clarifies expectations for different types of affiliates [such as Wikimedia chapters and user groups], [and] formalizes the role of hubs within the model [...].

    The Foundation is soliciting community feedback on the proposal until August 7, before submitting it to the Board of Trustees.
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Larry Sanger

  • A hello and farewell to Wikipedia's co-creator and pioneer Larry Sanger. With a clean block log and a fix-it attitude, Sanger made the mistake of writing a very brief note on a blog linking to his idea of a WikiProject which he hoped would save the day for a perceived problem in Wikipedia neutrality. Instead of an administrator, any administrator, monitoring WP:ANI (Administrator's noticeboard, incidents) and recognizing that an indef-pile-on was in progress with Sanger in the arena, then stepping in and giving him a 24-hour first-time block and a good talking to, an oft-told story played out. Smooth sailing Sanger, and may history and the muses record you well and good as the co-founder of this immense internet landmark. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:23, 13 July 2026 (UTC)reply
  • Yawn, Randy. He instead spent the past 20 years trying to get Wikipedia taken down or conforming to his pseudoscience conspiracy nonsense views. And his recent attempt included not only canvassing, but also calling for the outing of all Wikipedia administrators, despite well known events of even regular outed Wikipedia editors being jailed in repressive dictatorships. SilverserenC 17:04, 13 July 2026 (UTC)reply
  • "Calling for" and "getting" are two vastly different things, and seriously, putting forward an idea is now indef worthy? And even this 'calling for' has been disputed and disproved on Wales' talk page. The only one of Sanger's recent ideas that he tried to implement was to get rid of WP:IGNOREALLRULES, and this was, as it should have been, roundly defeated. In simple terms, Sanger was more or less indeffed for what editors thought he may do in the future, a kind of pre-crime Philip K. Dickish move. As mentioned above, one of our hundreds of administrators could have put a stop to the thread on ANI with a simple reprimand and a short ban for outside canvassing, especially if they noticed the discussion had started to escalate into an all-purpose tar and feathering of a Wikipedia pioneer. Possibly including, and somewhat resulting from perception, aspersions, and an opening to rid Wikipedia of what editors imagined as a disruptive influence, some believed that Sanger was endangering the project. He was not, as his failure to delete IAR proved. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:57, 14 July 2026 (UTC)reply
Randy Kryn's depiction above bears zero resemblance to the actual reasons Larry Sanger was blocked. See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/Possible off-wiki canvassing by User:Larry Sanger'
The actual reasons were:
  1. Engaging in off-wiki canvassing -- Inviting hundreds of his twitter followers and reader of an Indian social media page to come to Wikipedia and stack the !vote
  2. Not being here to constructively build the encyclopedia.
  3. Calling on his thousands of followers to out Wikipedia administrators.
And, BTW "putting forward an idea" has always been worthy of a block. Just try "putting forward the idea" that all blacks and jews should be executed or that the law should allow sex with children and see how fast you get blocked. --Guy Macon (talk) 10:55, 16 July 2026 (UTC)reply
Ideas about improving Wikipedia, but you know what I meant. As for zero resemblance, we must have read and followed different discussions and links, just re-read the thread or at least its first few hours before an editor came up with "indef". Sanger's not stupid, he probably got the message during those few hours. At that point the often repeated and arguably exaggerated claims and aspersions begin to drive the comments, perceptions, and reasoning of many commenting editors. To separate accuracy from jumping on a runaway bandwagon should be one of the jobs of administrators monitoring their own noticeboards to assure, in a perfect world, that out of proportion claims do not escalate while handling the overall situation with a talk page discussion and a short lesser block, especially for long-time Wikipedians who have a clean block record. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:36, 16 July 2026 (UTC)reply
If you think his record was clean, I have a bridge to sell for you. WMF has blocked people without our input in the past in regards to off wiki harassment. – The Grid (talk) 13:07, 16 July 2026 (UTC)reply
Yes, Sanger had a clean block log before the indef. So about that bridge you'd like to sell for me, I'll give you a 20% commission, thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:22, 16 July 2026 (UTC)reply
As long as you are moving the goalposts to make your case appear stronger (The Grid clearly stated "if you think his record was clean" and you pretended that he said "if you think his block log was clean" -- even silently editing your original post to gaslight The Grid and make it look like you had been talking about the log all the time[1]), let's clear up another detail that you got wrong. Larry Sanger was not Indefinitely blocked. If you had bothered looking at his block log he has previously been indefinitely blocked twice, once 16 years ago and once last month, and both were undone as being improper blocks. Most recently he was banned by the Wikipedia community (WP:CBAN).
As explained at Wikipedia:Banning policy:
"Bans are different from blocks, which are used by administrators to technically prevent a user account or IP address from editing Wikipedia. Blocks are used chiefly to deal with immediate problems such as vandalism, disruptive editing or edit warring. A ban, on the other hand, does not technically prevent editing; however, blocks may be used to enforce bans."
So please use the correct term, which is "community banned" or "received a WP:CBAN" instead of the incorrect "indeffed". --Guy Macon (talk) 19:22, 16 July 2026 (UTC)reply
I was talking about the block log all along, and thought that Grid was as well, what else is a "record" aside from the block log? Sanger's was clean, aside from a mistaken block that was changed within minutes. And yes, he has been indeffed no matter what name you use, and "indef" was what editors were calling for in the discussion. Please lay off the aspersions. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:12, 16 July 2026 (UTC)reply
Everybody but you thinks that your record on Wikipedia consists of your entire edit history and that your block log consists of any blocks that a wikipedia administrator has imposed on you. You can even be blocked without making a single edit. Happens all the time. --Guy Macon (talk) 02:50, 17 July 2026 (UTC)reply
  • I think I can speak for more than just myself when I say I voted to indef Sanger, rather than simply warn him, because he was making credible threats to endanger Wikipedia and its individual editors. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:24, 13 July 2026 (UTC)reply
  • Larry has been trying to dismantle Wikipedia since he was kicked out in 2002. I find the nature of seeing WP:UNBLOCKABLE nature with him sickening. Any other user would have been blocked years ago. Even the full protection on his talk page is ridiculous with his statement posted. We have denied trolls and LTAs with much less leeway. The full protection comment should be removed, as I imagine it was through UTRS. – The Grid (talk) 15:38, 13 July 2026 (UTC)reply
    +1. I do find that a lot of WP:OWB applies here, particularly #15, #18, #49, and especially #59. Firestar464 (talk) 16:39, 13 July 2026 (UTC)reply
  • I have trouble understanding the difference between intellectual diversity and diversity, equity, and inclusion, and how someone could be supportive of one but opposed to the other. – wbm1058 (talk) 04:04, 14 July 2026 (UTC)reply
    I can tell you what the far left, far right, and Larry think the difference is. (The following does not reflect my personal views):
    Far left: Those on the right hate DEI so that they can discriminate against blacks, Muslims, and LGBTQ+ people.
    Far left: Those on the right want intellectual diversity so we have to stop discriminating against Nazis.
    Far Right: Those on the left want DEI so that they can discriminate against straight white men, Asians, and Jews.
    Far Right: Those on the left hate intellectual diversity so that they their DEI only applies to blacks, etc. who are political liberals.
    Larry: Same as far right above, plus for some reason Wikipedia has to say that Homeopathy is every bit as good as actual medicine. Also, Wikipedia is doing everything the wrong way and should be more like Citizendium, and it's OK to out Wikipedia admins. --Guy Macon (talk) 04:59, 14 July 2026 (UTC)reply
    • Guy Macon covered the reality of the situation, but for a more "formal" answer: intellectual diversity as used here asserts that all ideologies and ideas should be given fair consideration, even if they make liberals and leftists uncomfortable. DEI asserts that active measures should be taken to ensure that people of disadvantaged identities (typically racial minorities, people with disabilities, queer people, etc) are welcomed into a given space and possibly given special accommodations to account for any disadvantages they've experienced. The conflict comes from the fact that intellectual diversity encourages hearing out those who oppose treating people differently based on identity, or even those who support actively discriminating against them. Proponents of intellectual diversity will say that proponents of DEI stifle any criticism and decry it as bigoted regardless of whether it actually is. Proponents of DEI will say that proponents of intellectual diversity don't actually want diversity of thought, but that they really just want to increase the prominence of right-wing viewpoints and would gladly stifle left-wing viewpoints when given the chance. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 06:14, 14 July 2026 (UTC)reply
    I have trouble understanding the difference between intellectual diversity and diversity, equity, and inclusion, and how someone could be supportive of one but opposed to the other. If this kind of thing interests you, please check out Brooke Gladstone's interview with Daniel Suhr, the president of the Center for American Rights, beginning at the 26:47 mark in the On the Media podcast episode "The FCC's Pressure Campaign to Reshape Broadcast TV" (full transcript is online so you don't have to listen to it) Suhr unintentionally puts an end to the right-wing farce that is opposition to DEI. It was never a real issue to begin with. Viriditas (talk) 02:04, 15 July 2026 (UTC)reply
    [26:47] Brooke sits down with Daniel Suhr, the president of a legal advocacy group called the Center for American Rights and the architect behind the legal theory that the FCC is using to put pressure on TV networks. They discuss his goal to make network TV look more like the AM radio band. He brings up DEI @[49:10]. Hmm, Daniel Suhr was killed when a civilian falling from the South World Trade Center Tower struck him as he responded to the 9/11 attacks. What is the Center for American Rights? wbm1058 (talk) 12:30, 15 July 2026 (UTC)reply
    Daniel Suhr is the president of CAR. It appears to be part of the libertarian network ecosystem, in the same way as the Liberty Justice Center. Viriditas (talk) 16:10, 15 July 2026 (UTC)reply
    Different people. Daniel Robert Suhr (who usually goes by Daniel R. Suhr) is one half of the Center for American Rights. See[2]. Daniel Thomas Suhr was a firefighter killed in the September 11 attacks. We should add a disambiguation or "not to be confused with" note to make that clear. --Guy Macon (talk) 19:37, 16 July 2026 (UTC)reply
    "president of a two-person, Chicago-based, conservative legal organization", Ha. "Center for American Rights" is a two-person organization? Just to be clear, I wasn't confused, and I doubt many others are likely to be confused, either. I just had not heard of this guy before. Larry could start a two-person Center for Intellectual Diversity. No, just kidding, please don't. – wbm1058 (talk) 00:57, 17 July 2026 (UTC)reply
    The disambiguation or "not to be confused with" note isn't for you or for this noticeboard. Imagine someone who runs across the name at one of theses sources[3][4][5][6] and types Daniel Suhr into the Wikipedia search box. Does Wikipedia inform them that there are multiple public figures with that name? --Guy Macon (talk) 02:07, 17 July 2026 (UTC)reply
    This rationale can be carried to extremes. Should there be a hatnote over List of counts of Mâcon § Comtal house of Burgundy saying not to be confused with the Guy who thinks Wikipedia has cancer? If Daniel R. Suhr is notable then write a biography about him. If you can cite enough sources that have not been deprecated as unreliable. Looks like maybe you can. Center for American Rights could redirect to his biography, since he virtually is that organization. wbm1058 (talk) 08:52, 17 July 2026 (UTC)reply
  • A quarter century of troublemaking that worked against the Wikipedia's, and most importantly, our readers', best interests was finally given the response it deserves, and thank goodness for that. My farewell is akin to "good riddance". the Stefen 𝕋ower 21:01, 14 July 2026 (UTC)reply
  • Banning a Wikipedian for posts on Twitter is stupid. --ssr (talk) 14:25, 17 July 2026 (UTC)reply

Wikimania

As I have requested on pretty much every Wikimania for years, I call for the WMF to publish a detailed accounting of how much this Wikimania is costing the donors who are paying for it. With names of individuals redacted, of course. Adding a section on what the objective benefits are would be a nice addition. Even nicer would be a section documenting any bad effects from cancelling Wikimania during Covid. --Guy Macon (talk) 22:44, 13 July 2026 (UTC)reply

I have witnessed and endured the changes at this year's Wikimania in Paris, and it is truly disheartening.

Let’s start toalking about money and organization. I should mention that I have attended two previous Wikimanias: London in 2014 and Esino Lario in 2016. On both occasions, I paid for all my expenses out of my own pocket. I was accompanied by my wife and two sons, and I covered their costs as well. I do this because Wikimedia is a voluntary activity for me, and I believe I should pay my own way. As a side note: at a meeting in Esino, I asked if anyone else had paid for their own expenses. The look of surprise on people's faces was indescribable—they wouldn't have been any more astonished had I asked for representatives from Wikimedia Uranus.

This year I applied for a grant to attend, mainly just to secure a ticket. At first (back in February, I think), I was told that my application had been rejected. That’s just how life goes! I have other things to do—responsibilities, commitments, and a life of my own—so I simply made other plans. When I received an email months later (in June, I believe) saying I’d been awarded the scholarship and that I had to answer in two days time, I simply couldn't go. The thing is—and I can't stress this enough—I have a life, and I can't just put it on hold.

I should add that my first impulse after the refusal was to buy the tickets and head straight to Paris. Paris is a fourteen-and-a-half-hour drive from where I am sitting now, and I am capable of doing the drive—I’ve done it many times. But the idea of ​​just paying my way was quickly abandoned because all available information indicated—with every source saying the same thing, including several official sources from the Organization and the Chapters—that there were no tickets. Punto-pelota!

So far, I have addressed two issues. One that you have already discussed: who is paying for all this. And another that you haven't discussed, but which is also infuriating: the very poor organization.

Now, let’s turn to the subject of security. I’ve been looking into this, and in the state of Ohio—with the exception of the city of Toledo—police officers patrol alone. In France (and in many other European countries—at least in Spain, Germany, and the United Kingdom), the standard practice is to patrol in pairs; think, for instance, of the classic Spanish Civil Guard patrols: “la pareja de la Guardia Civil”. Furthermore, in France, as an extra precaution, many public spaces are patrolled by a special unit known as the CRS, who operate in groups of three. You see them quite often. Needless to say, firearm laws in France are nothing like those in the United States. Consequently, the situation in Ohio differs significantly from the situation in Paris. Other things can happen, of course, because there is always the risk of encountering some heartless individual. But establishing an entirely new security paradigm because of the actions of some moron in El Quinto Pino is truly disproportionate. I am well aware that risks do exist—they always do. On December 20, 1990, an ETA bomb exploded about 300 meters from where I am now, at a bus stop on San Vicente Street. Yet, life in my neighborhood didn't come to a halt because of it.

Now it turns out there is an unspecified threat that has materialized into an incident—an isolated one, perhaps? What should be an occasion for Wikimedians to gather has turned into an event requiring a security scrutiny and individual express approval to assist. I believe the only other time I’ve been asked to undergo a formal security clearance process to gain access to something was when entering an Airbus factory. Certainly, you don’t go through security checks to attend a gathering of colleagues—or a football match, a concert, a university graduation, and so on—beyond whatever standard procedures might be in place due to specific circumstances. And such measures were not applied at the Wikimanias I have attended. (I wonder: how would they have been organized in Esino? Would have all the village be seald off for a week?)

For me, the most important part of attending Wikimania isn't the official program of events. You really gain knowledge and spark new ideas through interactions with the random people you meet: a guy with a project on Timor-Leste, a couple telling you about Month of Asia, a young professor organizing editing sessions on Spanish literature in Arabic, or someone interested in whether Catalan is older than Polish or whether it’s possible to cover 90,000 square kilometers in a year taking pictures. That’s where you get new ideas. You don't get much out of listening to the official presentations. If those random people can't attend, the project is being ruined.

It is truly sad.

B25es (talk) 16:08, 15 July 2026 (UTC)reply

Tickets were first come first served. I think there is some valid criticism to be made of the organizers for not picking a larger venue, but beyond that i really dont know what else you are expecting here. They can't sell more tickets then room in the venue, if you are on a waitlist and you get in last moment because someone dropped out last moment, of course you are going to have to make a last moment decision. How else could it possibly work? Bawolff (talk) 10:27, 16 July 2026 (UTC)reply
At one very early point, the information was that there were no tickets available. That there was room for 1,000 people. Two-thirds of that capacity was already reserved for WMF and other groups. The rest, some 300~400 places, were not available for other reasons. There was no such thing as a waiting list to join.
As of February 11, 2026 (12:27 CET) I was informed that "On behalf of the Wikimania 2026 Core Organizing Team and the Wikimedia Foundation, we regret to inform you that we have been unable to accept your application for an In-person Travel scholarship to Wikimania 2026." and that "You are encouraged to join Wikimania 2026 virtually." That's when we (my wife having received an answer in the same line) started looking for tickets that we could buy.
(Side note: it seems that people find impossible to attend Wikimania at their own expense, even when it takes place in Paris, right in the heart of Western Europe.)
Then there's the emails we recieved on June 24, 2026 (17:19 CET). "Congratulations! On behalf of the 2026 Wikimania Scholarships Committee and the Wikimedia Foundation, thank you for your interest in Wikimania 2026, scheduled 21-25 July 2026 in Paris, France. We are pleased to inform you that you have been awarded a full scholarship to cover your accommodation and travel for the event! The deadline to accept this scholarship is this Friday, 26 June 2026, 23:59 Anywhere on Earth through the registration link below, replying to this email will not count as scholarship confirmation." My poor English prevents my from expressing in a better way how bad an answer it is. My first instinctive response would be Have you even checked your own email of Feb.11?
So no, for us there was no "first come first served".
As an additional information, my wife and I are members of two Chapters. So we know that our case is far from unique. Some people can attend, others cannot. In all cases they have been informed very recently. I one case the day before yesterday. Other people, over the last two weeks.
The Wikimedia community is made up of volunteers. Some of us have family obligations, and in most cases, people have jobs they need to attend to. One might be able to request their holidays at a certain time of year, but you certainly can't just play fast and loose with that. In 2016, I coordinated my vacation time with my boss and a colleague. I can't —and most Wikimedians can't— just keep changing plans as if life were a game of roulette. We deserve respect. I don't get paid to edit or to organize events; the car I use to travel to events is my own, and I pay for its maintenance, I eat my own food. I’m not asking for a salary; I’m asking for a minimum level of respect and decency toward volunteers. I know there are employees who do their jobs the best they can and deserve my respect. And I know there are people who brazenly exploit the situation to set up their own little schemes to cash in on Wikimedia—those people don't deserve my respect, but that’s another story. What I am asking for is respect for us grassroots editors/organizers, the ones who have no budget, or rather, the ones who spend their time and efforts. B25es (talk) 14:30, 17 July 2026 (UTC)reply
I figure it's downright crazy that all the tickets were sold out in hours. Where the money goes doesn't much bother me; intercontinental air travel and hotels always cost me a lot more than the tickets. The organizers ought to have projected much larger sales than for Nairobi or Katowice and adjusted their plans appropriately; after all this is Paris, one of the great cities of the world, one of the great tourist attractions, and within easy rail access to a great density of Wikkians though not me.
Security clearance? Goodness gracious; just X-ray us and our laptops for guns and bombs same as at World Cup; what's the big problem? It's not like we need to protect our precious secrets from clever international spies with glass daggers and false beards. Anyway, even if the lack of tickets were not a problem, I suffered an injury last month, won't fly, and will be peeping at the formal activities by livestream and whatever recordings are available. This is obviously not the best part of Wikimania; the valuable parts are the chance meetings in corridors and lunch tables and the like. Jim.henderson (talk) 07:43, 20 July 2026 (UTC)reply
  • WMF is a parasitic outgrowth of the Wikimedia movement. Wikimania is nothing more than a junket for The Worthies and a big expense item they can use to justify further over-the-top Emergency Save Our Ship fundraising tactics. It should be done as an annual video exercise, filmed from headquarters in San Francisco with program content generated remotely. Anyway, I hope Paris was lovely! Carrite (talk) 18:49, 26 July 2026 (UTC)reply
  • On the weekend of 9-10 August 2014, I took my kids out to Margate for the day, and the next day we were out exploring the Science Museum in Central London, and we all had a nice time. I certainly don't remember looking back and thinking "Damn, I wish I'd gone to Wikimania London instead". I can't be alone in that viewpoint. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:26, 27 July 2026 (UTC)reply
    You did well, Ritchie, although London was better organised than most except the food was awful and I've had better wine from Château TetraPak or Bag-in-a-box. I spent my time running the UK chapter stall. That was more rewarding that going to presentations to see the WMF, as usual, claiming how good they are and taking the credit for Community initiatives. I paid my own way to London from Bangkok. Some major aspect of every Wikimania I attended failed miserably, leaving any attendees who went under their own steam feeling very let down. I have yet to hear from friends who went to Paris. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:30, 30 July 2026 (UTC)reply
  • I attended HK and London at my own expense. This year, I registered for virtual attendance at Paris. The secrecy about the location seemed to be security theatre as I found it easy to figure out. The main way I actually viewed the event was on YouTube as this was by far the most convenient. The video streams seemed ok but it's quite frustrating that they don't allow comments there and it adds to the impression that it's an elitist event not an open one. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:10, 30 July 2026 (UTC)reply
    The so-called "security theatre" would have stopped the gunman in New York back in October, as there was no bag check performed at all until after the incident. Before that, all they did was check to see if attendees had a badge before being allowed into the venue. As a Canadian, I found it strange that they hired a security team to perform bag check at Wikimania Katowice in 2024 but not in a place where guns are rampant. OhanaUnitedTalk page 12:43, 31 July 2026 (UTC)reply

















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