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Interactive maps
Interactive OpenStreetMap features in development
News and notes
Statistics, Wikipedia research and more
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Wikia Search abandoned, university plagiarism, and more
Dispatches
New FAC and FAR nomination process
WikiProject report
WikiProject China
Features and admins
Approved this week
Arbitration report
The Report on Lengthy Litigation

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Interactive OpenStreetMap features in development

Adderley Street (Cape Town, South Africa) in OpenStreetMap

A new initiative is underway to make OpenStreetMap available as interactive maps within Wikipedia. OpenStreetMap is a collaborative project to create free, open source street map data, mostly generated from user-submitted GPS tracks. To get the project going, Wikimedia Deutschland (WM-DE, the German Chapter of Wikimedia) is providing €15,000 (~$20,000) for a map toolserver, which will be a place for the project team to setup a prototype infrastructure and for developing other mapping-related ideas.

The maps will be integrated into Wikipedia pages that have coordinates. The default option will be to have a link in the coordinates template that allows the maps to pop up and expand, similar to how the WikiMiniAtlas currently works. There will also be a tag (e.g. <map>) that can be used (with parameters) to place an individual inline map in an article or infobox. The map will be rendered as a .png static map, which works whether or not the reader has JavaScript enabled, and the static map images can be cached. If the reader does have JavaScript enabled, then they will also be able to click on the map and interact—zoom, pan, etc.—similar to how Google Maps works. The dynamic maps work by displaying map tiles, which are .png images and also can easily be cached.

Wikimedia Deutschland is providing three servers: one that can host an independent copy of the OpenStreetMap planet.osm data; another for rendering and tile caching; and a third server for developing new applications and other mapping ideas, tools, and uses for OpenStreetMap data. With this setup, the project team can determine the exact technical setup that would be needed for deployment on the main Wikimedia production servers. Another part of the project is to develop a MediaWiki extension, expanding upon the existing SlippyMap, Simple image, and other extensions, making them robust and very reliable, and working to make the whole map system usable and well-integrated with Wikipedia.

The plan is to get the maps ready for implementation on English and other language Wikipedia versions as quickly as possible; developers hope to have mapping ready for deployment by the time of the Wikimania conference at the end of August 2009. The initial implementation will be kept simple, just focused on OpenStreetMap. Once the maps are working, there are many possibilities to improve them, such as integrating satellite imagery from NASA World Wind and adding map icons showing the location of Wikipedia articles. At some point the project developers would also like to provide a number of different map style options, as a street map is not a good fit for all types of articles (e.g. showing bird species ranges and migration patterns).

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Statistics, Wikipedia research and more

Traffic statistics

Erik Zachte posted new reports about traffic to the Wikimedia projects and where it comes from. Some of the results that Zachte found are that around half of the external daily traffic requests come from Google, 31% of requests come from Firefox, and nearly 0.9% of requests are from an iPhone.

Student research habits and Wikipedia

A research group called "Project Information Literacy" at the University of Washington Information School, which is studying young adult research habits and information literacy, released their first report recently. It focuses on how college students do research, including using the library and web for assignments and "everyday life" needs. In a section called "Use of Wikipedia," the authors write: "We found Wikipedia was a unique and indispensable research source for students. The online, collaborative, community-based online encyclopedia gave students a workaround for obtaining the big picture and language contexts they frequently lacked for course-related and to a lesser degree, everyday life research."

The study also explored student perceptions of Wikipedia's limitations, finding that "In our sessions, students also discussed concerns over Wikipedia and accuracy. However, most participants believed that they, themselves, had the ability to discern the credibility of a Wikipedia source, based on their 'gut level' interpretation of Wikipedia’s rating system (e.g., posted notes by editors such as, 'This article needs additional citations for verification')."

Finally, the study found that even when students did use Wikipedia, " Most students depended on and used Wikipedia for information cited in papers, but just never included Wikipedia entries on their Works Cited page."

The study consisted of interviews with 86 college students. A larger version of the study is planned for next year.

New dissertation about Wikipedia

Felipe Ortega's dissertation, called "Wikipedia: A Quantiative Analysis" has been posted for download. It uses the WikiXRay tool to analyze the top-10 language editions of Wikipedia, focusing on community and the future sustainability of Wikipedia.

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  • The Flagged Protection poll ended on April 1 with 259 support votes, 61 oppose votes and 4 neutral (80% support, 19% oppose, 1% neutral).
  • An open meeting on IRC around the theme of community-building for Wikibooks is planned for April 9, 21:00UTC; a planning page is on Meta.
  • A conference called Open Everything NYC is planned for April 18 in New York City; according to the project page, it is "a global conversation about the art, science and spirit of 'open'". Members of Wikimedia New York City will be attending.

Milestones

Czech Wikibooks

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Wikia Search abandoned, university plagiarism, and more

Wikia Search shut down by Jimbo Wales

Jimbo Wales has pulled the plug on Wikia Search, a community based search engine, as reported by eWeek. Wales stated on his personal blog, "While I personally believe in the opportunity for free software to make serious inroads into the search space, our project, Wikia Search, has not been enjoying the kind of success that we had hoped." According to Nielsen Online, Wikia—which hosts a wide range of wiki projects such as Memory Alpha, Wookieepedia, and Uncyclopedia—was one of the fastest growing community websites, after Twitter, Zimbio, Facebook and Multiply. However, Wikia Search was a departure from Wikia's main focus, which has been community-specific encyclopedia projects that, to varying degrees, follow the model of Wikipedia. Wales said he cares about the search industry deeply and will return to it in the future.

University takes steps to stop plagiarism from Wikipedia

In "University confronts cheats in the age of Wikipedia", the Edmonton Journal reports that the problem of students plagiarizing from Wikipedia has prompted the University of Alberta to take steps to stop such academic dishonesty. Students who need help with their writing can go to the campus Centre for Writing. Other teachers are giving proper instruction on how to properly cite sources, to prevent confusion about quoting vs. stealing.

New Zealand minister questioned

On April 2, the Minister of Internal Affairs of New Zealand, Richard Worth, was questioned about whether he had edited his own Wikipedia article and asked whether he intended "to take the advice Wikipedia gave him yesterday afternoon that he should consult Wikipedia’s conflict of interest guidelines?" This was apparently related to edits made in December 2008 and March 2009, which are discussed in a post dated April 1 on talk:Richard Worth. The story was picked up by TVNZ, with no mention of the age of the edits.

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New FAC and FAR nomination process

Beginning April 1, 2009, Featured article candidates (FAC) started using stable subpages—like AFD's subpages—that will not need to be moved when the FAC is promoted or archived.

Rather than using {{FAC}} on an article talk page to start a FAC discussion, nominators will use {{subst:FAC}}. Featured article review will function similarly with the {{FAR}} template.

History

Before this change, the subpage for discussing the FAC for Article looked like Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Article. This caused some difficulty if the article did not pass FAC and was later re-nominated. For a subsequent FAC nomination, nominators generally had to move the old subpage to Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Article/archive1 (or some variation), and then edit the redirect to create a new FAC page. This system caused some difficulties, including:

  • The transclusion of an old subpage in the FAC archives became incorrect if the archives were not updated when a page was moved;
  • Other links to an old subpage, such as in peer reviews and user talk pages, might refer to the wrong page, or a page that was no longer there;
  • The process was sometimes confusing for editors, who sometimes didn't move an old subpage, but instead just blanked it and started fresh.

Interim

As a temporary solution, from sometime in 2007 subpages for articles that were not promoted were moved to Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Article/archiveN (the next open integer N) when the discussion closed. This kept Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Article open for a later FAC nomination. Most of the links to the FAC subpage were updated when the page was moved, so this avoided most of the problems with the previous system. However, it was difficult for many editors to maintain by hand, and required a bot to help maintain operations.

Solution

Beginning April 1, FAC uses stable subpages. These pages should not need to be moved, so links to them should not need updating.

Rather than using

{{FAC}}

on an article talk page to start a FAC discussion, nominators will use

{{subst:FAC}}

Template substitution and logic with mw:ParserFunctions will determine an available subpage. The template logic will look for an available page in sequence

  • Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Article/archive1
  • Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Article/archive2
  • Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Article/archive3
  • etc.

until a page is found that doesn't exist. For example, if the first page already exists and the second does not, {{subst:FAC}} will produce the following text on the talk page

{{featured article candidates|Article/archive2}}

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Article/archive2 will not conflict with existing pages, should not conflict with future pages, and should not need to be moved. Records in the {{ArticleHistory}} template would link to that page. If an article passes FAC and is removed through Featured article review (FAR), the FAC subpage will not need to be moved for any later FACs.

A similar system has existed for over a year at Peer review (see related story), Portal peer review and Good article nominations.

Some technical details

The template only supports 10 subpages (up to /archive10). After that it will always produce /archiveNN. In these rare cases, using {{featured article candidates|Article/archive11}} on the talk page will provide links to create the appropriate subpage.

{{FAC}} is a template that must be substituted rather than used directly. Once the transition period is over, the output of {{subst:FAC}}, which utilizes {{featured article candidates}}, will require a parameter to specify an archive number (e.g., {{featured article candidates|Nancy Cartwright/archive1}} for first candidacy of Nancy Cartwright).

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WikiProject China

With a member count of one editor for every five million Chinese people, you would be forgiven for assuming that WikiProject China is too small to cope with such a heaving load of work. However, the project is coping more than well enough without the massive number of participants. In this week's WikiProject Report, we present a special double interview with Danaman5 and PericlesofAthens.


Tell us a little about your history in relation to Wikipedia.
Danaman5: I first edited Wikipedia in November 2004, but my account lay dormant for a long time after that. I returned in January 2006, doing various edits. I became an administrator in September 2007. Besides my involvement with WikiProject China, which I will detail below, I have done a lot of grunt work: categorizing, formatting, new page patrol, anti-vandalism, and so on.
What appealed to you most about WikiProject China?
I study Chinese language and culture in college, so it was a natural fit for me. I also felt that it was under-represented on the English Wikipedia due to a natural bias toward European and American topics. As a result, there was, and is, so much left to do.
Which areas of WikiProject China do you contribute to?
I do a lot of tagging of articles, which is important, because it gets them into our workflow through article alerts and the like. I also do quite a bit of translation from the Chinese Wikipedia. There are a lot of articles about places in China and Chinese political figures that have an article on the Chinese Wikipedia, but not here. Furthermore, I have written and improved some articles, including Beijing opera and Jin Shengtan. Finally, I help to answer questions on the talk page for the project.
How can new users contribute to WikiProject China?
We don't have a very rigid structure, so just join in. Chinese language abilities are helpful, but not required; there are plenty of people who can help you translate anything that you need to. We always need help on article assessments, as well as solid article writers.
Are there any content or review drives at the WikiProject?
Nothing beyond our article assessments, but perhaps we should start one.
Which areas of the Chinese coverage on Wikipedia are you the most pleased with? Which do you think need more work?
Thanks to some excellent work by User:PericlesofAthens and others, a lot of our Chinese Dynasty articles are very good now, as are our articles on important intellectuals in China's past. As I mentioned above, we need a lot of work on places in China and modern Chinese political figures. Many of these places have over 100,000 people in them, certainly deserving of an article, since we have articles about little towns in the United States with a fraction of that. With the political figures, too, we still lack articles for a lot of people who would be on the level of Members of Congress in the United States, yet we have no articles for them.
Is there a portal related to the WikiProject?
Well, we have Portal:China, Portal:People's Republic of China, Portal:Republic of China, Portal:Hong Kong, Portal:Macau, and Portal:Taiwan, but I'm not sure how often some of those are updated.
Finally, just for fun; what do you think of the China national football team's performance internationally in the AFC World Cup qualifiers?
Honestly, I don't really follow soccer (I'm an American, what did you expect?), but I've heard that China's team is pretty bad, so they probably won't even make the World Cup.

Tell us a little about your background on Wikipedia and with WikiProject China.
PericlesofAthens: I joined Wikipedia back in March 2007 after I was made aware that a fellow member on a history forum All Empires had made a Wiki account (and was possibly adding dubious content that needed to be fixed!). I won't name names. I initially focused on editing just a few articles relating to Chinese history (which I have been studying in college). I first joined WikiProject Three Kingdoms—a workgroup under WikiProject Chinese history—as a means to help anyone who might have inquiries about Three Kingdoms topics. However, I have a broad interest in Chinese history that expands far beyond the Three Kingdoms, reflected in the articles I have brought to Good and Featured status. I also don't confine my efforts to what WikiProject China lists as its target articles for improvement (you could call me a loner or a rogue in that regard). However, I have often sought the aid and advice of WikiProject China members such as User:Nlu and User:Ling.Nut (the latter has unfortunately retired).
Architecture of the Song Dynasty
Over the two years that I have been a member at Wikipedia, I've elevated Tang Dynasty, Song Dynasty, Ming Dynasty, and many other articles to featured status, with the help of various members. I also have a featured topic for Song Dynasty and its various branch articles that I brought to good or featured status. Sometime this year, I hope to nominate my second featured topic on the era of the Han Dynasty and the related branch articles I created; so far I have lifted all of them up to Good status. History of the Han Dynasty is a current featured article candidate (still working out the kinks, though). If I had to name my favorite specialized interest within Chinese history, it would have to be the progress of science and technology throughout the ages. In this regard, I lifted the articles on China's premodern scientists and inventors Zhang Heng and Shen Kuo to featured status, while Su Song and the military technology book Huolongjing are both Good articles thanks to my contributions.
Sometimes, when I perhaps get a little bored with Chinese history, I choose to work on history articles that only partially focus on China or do not deal with Chinese history at all. In terms of featured articles of mine in this category, I could point to Tibet during the Ming Dynasty, the 15th-century Korean traveler Choe Bu, the 14th-century Florentine chronicler Giovanni Villani (his Nuova Cronica is a Good article of mine), and the first ruler of the Roman Empire, Augustus. I felt the latter article needed serious attention, and since I had access to a university library (and still do), I considered myself the man for the job. I also brought the article on the 16th-century Portuguese traveler Fernão Pires de Andrade to Good status, a crucial history article in terms of Europe's first direct contacts with the premodern Chinese empire.
Due to its large scope and complexity, do you consider WikiProject China to be an umbrella project?
Yeah, I would certainly consider it an umbrella project. One glance at the page WikiProject China/Workgroups shows the variety of subjects that the WikiProject covers. Beyond the history workgroup which I'm a member of, there are separate workgroups for arts and entertainment, geography, government, language, etc. It has basically 'everything under the sun', so to speak. The assertion on WikiProject China's main page that "the scope of this project includes all topics related to China" holds true, although I have found many new and old articles relating to China where the WikiProject China banner was not yet featured on the talk page. However, the more articles we tag, the more we build awareness of our WikiProject. Whenever I create a new article relating to China, I never forget to 'fly the banner'.

3. Has there been any discussion of a tagging/reassessment drive to help fix that problem?

Not that I know of. Adding appropriate banners is done more on an individual basis, rather than by a motivated group effort. It's difficult to spot all of the recently-established articles that might be missing the banner, since one would have to pay close attention to all the sub-categories under Category:China. Since this is the case, I think planning a group effort by all WikiProject members to tag talk pages with the banner would be a worthwhile pursuit.

4. We would certainly expect topics such as Sino-American relations and Communist Party of China to fall victim to POV pushing and contention, but to what extent do these problems spread to WikiProject China's other topics, such as Geography of China?

A map of one's country with clearly-defined borders is a powerful symbol of national identity. As one would expect, there has been some discussion at Talk:Geography of China about the limits of China's geography and whether it should be described as the land under one state or another, or should be described as the land under all states which claim "China" as their sovereign territory. Parallel to the separation of articles for China, People's Republic of China, and Republic of China, one can easily see why there are separate articles for Geography of China, Geography of the People's Republic of China, and Geography of Taiwan: Wikipedia does not take a stand on which parts of "China" can be legitimately claimed by either state, but includes the viewpoints of both the PRC and ROC on the matter of jurisdiction. One would think the article Geography of China might become a playground for those who push a certain POV, but I would say that less "sexy" geography articles receive far less attention in this regard than articles like the Political status of Taiwan (the title itself spells trouble! Hah). Despite the (necessary) existence of certain articles which seem to attract ultranationalists who have too much time on their hands and something to prove, I would argue that the vast majority of talk page discussions for China-related articles are tame and cordial ones between established users.

5. You mentioned bringing Song Dynasty and its satellites to Featured Topic status, as well as the possibility of doing the same with Han Dynasty. Besides the other dynasties, what China-related topics would you like to see featured?

Actually, there are a few topics that I would love to see featured. If someone had the time, energy, and sources at hand to nominate a featured topic on something as vital as China's cornerstone philosophy of Confucianism, that would be a fantastic, invaluable contribution to Wikipedia. One would have to raise articles like Confucius, Mencius, Five Classics, Zhu Xi and Neo-Confucianism to good or featured status, so it would be a hefty amount of work (unfortunately, the type of project I no longer have the free time to pursue). It would also be nice to see featured topics on Chinese literature and the History of science and technology in China (which could involve Chinese astronomy and Chinese mathematics as good or featured articles).

6. Do Chinese-language translations, transliterations, or sources ever pose a problem to you or the other non-speakers of the project?

Well, I'm learning Mandarin Chinese right now, so the difficulty of recognizing various characters is becoming less of a concern. However, I can't speak or read at the native level yet, so I still have trouble assessing some Chinese language sources used here. That's unfortunate, because in my experience at Wikipedia, I have run into some serious problems with Chinese-language sources. However, sometimes this has nothing to do with my inability to read them, but simply the obscurity of them or their unavailability at places like my university library. The most recent example of this would be a source used in Inner Asia during the Tang Dynasty; the only way I could get my hands on this particular source used there would be to purchase the book online. If I had access to the source, I could defuse an ongoing conflict there between two members: the editor who originally cited the source, and another editor who doubts that the latter faithfully represented his source. In regards to Chinese-language translations and transliterations, there are members of WikiProject China who can speak and read both Chinese and English at the native level, so they have no problem writing English-based Wiki articles using Chinese-language sources like the Zizhi Tongjian.
Aside from confirming material in Chinese-language sources or using them to write entire English-based articles, there is also the issue of translating key terms and phrases. Unless a term is very obscure (in which case it probably shouldn't even have an English Wiki article), direct translations should not be the creative inventions of Wiki editors, but should follow credible scholars and how they choose to translate certain Chinese-language terms or phrases into English. For example, in the article Government of the Han Dynasty, for the central-government post of Yushi dafu 御史大夫, I used the translations of three different scholars: Hans Bielenstein (1980) chooses to translate it as "Grandee Secretary", Rafe de Crespigny (2007) chooses to translate it as "Imperial Counselor", while Wang Yu-ch'uan (1949) chooses to translate it as "Imperial Secretary". Since there is really no scholarly consensus on how this phrase should be properly translated into English, it's best to present multiple English renditions from different scholars. The only problem I've seen on Wikipedia regarding translations such as this is editors failing to present what the scholarly consensus is; if there is no widespread consensus, the other problem is editors only presenting a translation variant from one source instead of many.

7. What involvement (if any) did the project and its members have with the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games?

This may come as a surprise to you, but as far as I know, there was no direct involvement of the WikiProject with the 2008 Olympic Games article! No big announcements, no discussion on the WikiProject talk page, nothing (although members of the WikiProject might have taken the initiative to edit the article in individual efforts; the answer lies buried in the article's revision history). Although I kept myself updated by periodically viewing the page for the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games (while it was still going on), I did not bother to edit the article at all. The Olympics are simply not my forté, although I'll admit that they were entertaining to watch (especially the opening ceremony). Given its public and global prominence, that's the type of Wiki article which receives a great amount of attention by dedicated editors from all over the globe. I would much rather focus my efforts on articles which don't receive such widespread attention, but are nonetheless deserving of quality contributions. Olympic games come and go in a flash; other things are more timeless.

8. Finally, do you think WikiProject China's more contentious articles could benefit from some form of flagged revisions?

I honestly don't think it would hurt if such an alert system was in place for the more "contentious" articles. What the WikiProject China Banner has so far is a "comments" page for all articles' quality ratings, where the issue of an edit war might come up in regards to its effect on an article's rating. However, this doesn't specifically address contentious articles that would perhaps need to be stewarded by WikiProject members, and doesn't alert WikiProject members that the article might have edit war problems. I'm not sure how the WikiProject would officially categorize such articles, perhaps [[Category:China-related articles under WikiProject China supervision]]??? I don't think the WikiProject could have too much of a role in this, though, considering how contentious edit wars are already handled by forces outside the WikiProject. Any individual—whether a WikiProject member or not—can contact the Administrator's Noticeboard about violations of the three-revert rule. There's also the Arbitration Committee which handles a variety of contentious issues.

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Approved this week

Administrators

One editor was granted admin status via the Requests for Adminship process this week: Paxse (nom).

Anonymous Dissident (nom) was promoted to bureaucrat status this week.

Bots

Nine bots or bot tasks were approved to begin operating this week: RussBot (task request), Sambot (task request), Legobot II (task request), SPCUClerkbot (task request), Basketrabbit (task request), DustyBot (task request), MGA73bot (task request) and Mr.Z-bot (task request).

Five articles were promoted to featured status this week: Falaise pocket (nom), Battle of Tippecanoe (nom), Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell (nom), Manchester Mummy (nom) and Tree Sparrow (nom).

Fourteen lists were promoted to featured status this week: Disturbed discography (nom), Big East Conference Men's Basketball Player of the Year (nom), List of Silver Slugger Award winners at first base (nom), List of QI episodes (nom), Davy Medal (nom), Clint Eastwood filmography (nom), List of former championships in World Wrestling Entertainment (nom), List of United States Naval Academy alumni (Medal of Honor) (nom), List of TNA X Division Champions (nom), List of career achievements by Kobe Bryant (nom), List of BBC Sports Personality of the Year awards (nom), List of Silver Slugger Award winners at second base (nom), 1998 Winter Olympics medal table (nom) and List of United States Military Academy alumni (astronauts) (nom).

No topics were promoted to featured status this week.

One portal was promoted to featured status this week: Portal:Buddhism (nom).

The following featured articles were displayed on the Main Page this week as Today's featured article: Main sequence, Museum of Bad Art, Meningitis, Hare coursing, I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings, Decipherment of rongorongo and State Route 128.

No articles were delisted this week.

Two lists were delisted this week: List of premature obituaries (nom) and List of universities in the Canadian Prairies (nom).

No topics were delisted this week.

The following featured pictures were displayed on the Main Page this week as picture of the day: Convention of Kanagawa, Drawing in the scientific romance style, Zizina labradus, Salvador Dalí, Convair B-36 Peacemaker, Vaccination and Arial refueling.

No media files were featured this week.

No featured pictures were demoted this week.

Eight pictures were promoted to featured status this week and are shown below.



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The Report on Lengthy Litigation

The Committee announced that Mailer Diablo, MBisanz and Tiptoety have been promoted to position as clerks for the committee. Additionally, the {{ArbComOpenTasks}} template that appears at the top of the requests for arbitration page was modified to mention the name of the designated drafting Arbitrator for each open case.

The Arbitration Committee opened one case this week, and closed none, leaving eight cases open.

New cases

Evidence phase

  • Ryulong: A case regarding Ryulong's use of his administrator tools.
  • Obama articles: A case opened to review behavior of editors of articles related to Barack Obama.
  • West Bank - Judea and Samaria: A dispute about editor behavior in discussions about naming conventions for certain Israel- and Palestine-related locations.
  • Prem Rawat 2: A case concerning the continued behavioral problems on the pages about Prem Rawat, and related articles. A previous case, Prem Rawat, was closed in May of last year.
  • Date delinking: A case regarding the behavior of editors in the ongoing dispute relating to policy on linking dates in articles. An injunction has been issued prohibiting large-scale linking or delinking of dates until the case is resolved.

Voting

Motion to close

  • MZMcBride: A case brought after administrator MZMcBride deleted numerous "secret pages". This case is reviewing administrator conduct by MZMcBride only, and is not ruling on the appropriateness of the pages themselves. MZMcBride was admonished for his administrator actions in a previous Request for Arbitration. Several motions of varying degrees of admonishment all have majority levels of support, and a motion to desysop MZMcBride has 8-2 support. Before the end of the case, MZMcBride voluntarily resigned his adminship.

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